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Area musicians say law against fliers prevents event promotion

By Stacey Carmany



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These fliers were recently photographed along Lincoln Avenue in Youngstown. YSU policy restricts how and where fliers can be posted, and a Youngstown City Ordinance prohibits the practice altogether. Some area musicians say those police are threatening their ability to promote shows in the city.

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These fliers were recently photographed along Lincoln Avenue in Youngstown. YSU policy restricts how and where fliers can be posted, and a Youngstown City Ordinance prohibits the practice altogether. Some area musicians say those police are threatening their ability to promote shows in the city.

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These fliers were recently photographed along Lincoln Avenue in Youngstown. YSU policy restricts how and where fliers can be posted, and a Youngstown City Ordinance prohibits the practice altogether. Some area musicians say those police are threatening their ability to promote shows in the city.

YOUNGSTOWN - Posting fliers on telephone poles has traditionally been a low-cost way for local bands and musicians to promote upcoming shows and events.

To look at the telephone poles on Lincoln Avenue near the Youngstown State University campus, which are plastered with years worth of promotional fliers, you might think that city officials and university leaders condone the practice. You would be wrong.

In fact, YSU policy restricts how and where fliers can be posted, and a Youngstown City Ordinance prohibits the practice altogether.

Some area musicians say those police are threatening their ability to promote shows in the city.

One such musician is Asleep drummer Nick Kloss. He says the very livelihood of bands like Asleep, who can’t spend a lot of money on promotion, depends on those telephone poles.

“I don’t know how we’re supposed to promote in Youngstown and bring people in and make these shows as good as they can be when we can’t promote,” Kloss says.

Kloss recalls a run-in he had with University Police in November when he and a bandmate were hanging fliers on the poles on Lincoln Avenue to promote their Thanksgiving show.

He says they were stopped by campus police, who said it was a misdemeanor to hang fliers on the poles. He says the officers threatened to send their information to city police and told them they could be arrested.

That’s because hanging fliers on poles is classified as third-degree misdemeanor under city ordinance 541.09 (a), an offense punishable by a fine “not to exceed $500.” And the poles on Lincoln are considered city property.

University police have the authority to enforce city ordinances under a mutual agreement with the city police department. YSU dispatcher Adam Guerrieri says campus officers will stop anyone they see hanging fliers and warn them about the law, but says he can’t think of a single instance in his nine years with YSU Police when someone has been cited.

Khaled Tabbara, front man for The Zou, says his band had been hanging fliers on those poles for years, and it wasn’t until recently that they were stopped by officers.

Tabbara says he and bandmates were hanging fliers for their Halloween show last October. He says that as they were getting ready to post the first flier, they were stopped by YSU police. He says that the officer took their information and politely warned them that it was against the law to hang fliers there.

Det. Sgt. Chuck Swanson of the city police department says officers do their best to enforce all city ordinances, though he admits enforcing the handbill rule can be difficult and isn’t always a priority.

“You really have to catch a guy doing it to enforce it,” he says.

Swanson says many people are simply unaware of the ordinance. He says those found violating the ordinance are generally issued a misdemeanor citation and are ordered to appear in court, though they could be arrested.

The handbill ordinance stipulates that anyone wishing to post a flier on a utility pole within city limits must first obtain permission from the city Engineering Commissioner. Kloss says he has tried to get permission, though that proved to be an impossible feat.

An impossible feat indeed, considering that the city of Youngstown doesn’t have an Engineering Commissioner. Charles Shasho, the city’s deputy director of public works, says that position no longer exists and the ordinance probably needs to be updated.

Shasho says he would probably be considered the Engineering Commissioner for the purposes of the ordinance, but that he doesn’t have the authority to grant anyone permission to post fliers on the poles, because those poles don’t belong to the city, but to the utility companies.

It is somewhat easier to get permission to hang fliers on the YSU campus, although the university places certain restrictions on where they can be posted.

Any YSU student wishing to hang fliers must get approval from the Student Government office on the second floor of Kilcawley Center. The content of the fliers can’t be vulgar or offenseive or contain any nudity, profanity, or any other content that violates university policies, according to Stephen Mesik, Student Government Association vice president.

Though university policy stipulates that only students can post fliers, Mesik says SGA is generally pretty lenient when it comes to approving fliers for upcoming shows. He says SGA approves pretty much anything that benefits students, including live entertainment.

“As long as its in good faith, we generally stamp things,” he says.

But even an SGA stamp of approval comes with restrictions. Fliers must be posted indoors, and only in designated locations in specific buildings.

Mesik says some buildings have their own policies and procedures about posting fliers, including the Williamson School of Business and, ironically, Kilcawley Center. Individuals wishing to hang fliers in those buildings should stop in the administrative offices for information on how to get approved.

Needless to say, this has all proven to be quite the hassle for many local bands.

Tabbara says he would like to see outdoor display boards where bands would be permited to post fliers. He says promoting shows is something that also benefits the city by bringing business downtown.

But until that happens, he and other local musicians must find other ways to promote upcoming shows and events.



Comments

By rayd2147 ( anonymous )

It's the 21st century...do we really need to put fliers on somebody's utility pole to get noticed?

This practice, although it does kind of exhibit a "Bad boy" image (heavy emphasis on the "boy") that seems to be important to those who seek "rock star" status, is against the law. The lineman who has to climb the pole pictured in this article can explain why there is a law (besides the obvious private property issues).

Printing up a few hundred fliers and plastering them on the poles around campus is unfriendly to the environment, to the utility company, the lineman, and the police. (and all that clutter is ugly)

Come on guys bring your public outreach efforts into this century...get creative!!!

By MGShorrab ( anonymous )

At the very least, not having a public and free promotion site in a downtown where music, theater, and art are the greatest draw is unfortunate and short sighted. We should adopt a progressive relations model with the creative community and view their promotions as a sign of health in the city. I agree that poles slapped with a hundred fliers and wheatpasted buildings is tacky. That's why cities and campuses with posting boards and designated poles with rules, that are maintained, grow into visual representations of a city's unique cultures. Instead of hiring someone to go around the city and slap "prohibited" stickers up, maybe we should change the position to the upkeep of city designated flier boards and poles placed in downtown and campus streets. If YSU and the city are serious about YSU's progression toward downtown, locking out the greatest city nighttime draws isn't going to speed the cause.

By lemongrovecafe ( anonymous )

The city needs to buy digital display boards to be strategically placed around downtown. Make a super easy website upload that any local band, venue, and theater can use and pending an approval for decency it will display.

By AntaresSLC ( anonymous )

Where I live now, there are outdoor bulletin boards in many public areas (bike trail, parks, school campuses) that allow for this kind of promotion. This prevents the plastered utility poles and allows for a much more pleasant and eye-pleasing display. Youngstown really needs to consider this friendlier approach!

By asleepband ( anonymous )

When I first brought this up to Valley 24, I saw it as a giant contradiction by the city.

Youngstown wants to re-build it's downtown on arts and nightlife. Yet, the artists don't have a means to promote directly to those people.

I like Lemon Grove's idea of digital display boards with a website upload. But, I like the idea of sanctioning Lincoln as flier-friendly more.

I admit that I raised this issue with the musician / artist interest in mind first, but also the music venue / music bar, which is somewhat lacking in Youngstown... if you haven't noticed. Not quite what it used to be.

It may be an old-fashioned method of promo, but the way I see it, there's a college campus with thousands of students armed with smart phones w/ Facebook apps, etc. If I can allow them to see our Facebook link to gain instant access, that builds a quicker following, and trickles down to the music venue / bar downtown, which in turn benefits the city.

I just got back from SXSW in Austin, TX where the flier is the method of choice for promotion. They're now bearing something called a QR code for smart phones. You can scan them and get all kinds of info. Kids were scanning everything. The flier is the original promotion technology.

The flier is just as relevant today as it was anytime before. Why cut a channel of promotion?! Facebook promo = Lazy. I'll save my money for the band that risks fines and arrest to put some effort into it, go out in the cold, and staple fliers on a telephone pole. Those are the bands you want to see.

Perhaps the city needs to look into effectively dealing with this issue if it wants to be taken seriously on their arts community. Maybe not?

By asleepband ( anonymous )

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